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<blockquote>We should not be treating Capitalist economies, such as "Socialist market economies", so well. | <blockquote>We should not be treating Capitalist economies, such as "Socialist market economies", so well. | ||
Market "Socialism" is at best, totally contradictory to the aims of creating the Communist mode of production. Communism requires the abolition of commodity production, and markets themselves are a means of commodity production, therefore, in order reach Communism, Market "Socialism" must not exist.</blockquote>Socialism is by definition a contradiction between the capitalist economy and the nascent communist society. The way we speak about socialism | Market "Socialism" is at best, totally contradictory to the aims of creating the Communist mode of production. Communism requires the abolition of commodity production, and markets themselves are a means of commodity production, therefore, in order reach Communism, Market "Socialism" must not exist.</blockquote>Socialism is by definition a contradiction between the capitalist economy and the nascent communist society. The way we speak about socialism does not come from Marx himself, at that time, Marx used the terms "socialism" and "communism" interchangeably, making no distinctions between the two. At the end of his life, he only acknowledged a distinction between a "first phase" and "higher phase" of communist society in [[Library:Critique of the Gotha Program|''Critique of the Gotha Program'']]. | ||
Socialism the way we use it today was first conceived (as far as I know) by Lenin in [[Library:The state and revolution|''The state and revolution'']]. Here is how Lenin understands it:<blockquote>Marx makes a sober estimate of exactly how socialist society will have to manage its affairs. Marx proceeds to make a concrete analysis of the conditions of life of a society in which there will be no capitalism, and says:<blockquote>''<small>“What we have to deal with here [in analyzing the programme of the workers' party] is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it comes.”</small>''</blockquote>It is this communist society, which has just emerged into the light of day out of the womb of capitalism and which is in every respect stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, that Marx terms the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society. | Socialism the way we use it today was first conceived (as far as I know) by Lenin in [[Library:The state and revolution|''The state and revolution'']]. Here is how Lenin understands it:<blockquote>Marx makes a sober estimate of exactly how socialist society will have to manage its affairs. Marx proceeds to make a concrete analysis of the conditions of life of a society in which there will be no capitalism, and says:<blockquote>''<small>“What we have to deal with here [in analyzing the programme of the workers' party] is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it comes.”</small>''</blockquote>It is this communist society, which has just emerged into the light of day out of the womb of capitalism and which is in every respect stamped with the birthmarks of the old society, that Marx terms the “first”, or lower, phase of communist society. | ||