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I will share here a criticism of the language we use by an user on Matrix. While I disagree with some of this user's claims on China and Russia, I agree there is room for improvement in the language of the document.<blockquote>I'm a little concerned about the principles. First, they say "we support the following nations for their defiance of NATO imperialism". Personally, I think this wording may suggest unilateral support. While I obviously do oppose NATO imperialism, I think it's more productive for me to focus on things I'm closer related to - so as a Russian, I stand against Russian imperialism while still condemning NATO and the Ukrainian regime. I consider DPR and LPR in their current state to be Russian puppet states, serving as grounds for Russia's imperialist expansion, and I think this should be pretty uncontroversial at this point. I suggest to change it to "we support the following nations ''in'' their defiance of NATO imperialism", that way the wiki's position on NATO imperialism stays clear, but it unambiguously leaves open room for criticism of those capitalist states. | I will share here a criticism of the language we use by an user on Matrix. While I disagree with some of this user's claims on China and Russia, I agree there is room for improvement in the language of the document.<blockquote>I'm a little concerned about the principles. First, they say "we support the following nations for their defiance of NATO imperialism". Personally, I think this wording may suggest unilateral support. While I obviously do oppose NATO imperialism, I think it's more productive for me to focus on things I'm closer related to - so as a Russian, I stand against Russian imperialism while still condemning NATO and the Ukrainian regime. I consider DPR and LPR in their current state to be Russian puppet states, serving as grounds for Russia's imperialist expansion, and I think this should be pretty uncontroversial at this point. I suggest to change it to "we support the following nations ''in'' their defiance of NATO imperialism", that way the wiki's position on NATO imperialism stays clear, but it unambiguously leaves open room for criticism of those capitalist states.<br> | ||
Second, I think '''full''' support for AES doesn't align with the ML perspective. At least in Russia, there's plenty of MLs being somewhat critical of China because of its strong use of market economics or other reasons. That doesn't mean China isn't a socialist country or whatever, it doesn't mean China doesn't need to be supported, quite the contrary, the amount of Western propaganda around it is annoying - I just think the words "full support" feel like they preclude ''any'' criticism. Criticism backed by ML sources and not liberal propaganda should be allowed, but the current wording doesn't make it seem like they are.</blockquote>My suggestion for the first point is to state that we ''critically'' support the nations stated in the "Anti-imperialism" section. Plus, I'd like to suggest adding that we support the struggle of these nations for self-determination. | Second, I think '''full''' support for AES doesn't align with the ML perspective. At least in Russia, there's plenty of MLs being somewhat critical of China because of its strong use of market economics or other reasons. That doesn't mean China isn't a socialist country or whatever, it doesn't mean China doesn't need to be supported, quite the contrary, the amount of Western propaganda around it is annoying - I just think the words "full support" feel like they preclude ''any'' criticism. Criticism backed by ML sources and not liberal propaganda should be allowed, but the current wording doesn't make it seem like they are.</blockquote>My suggestion for the first point is to state that we ''critically'' support the nations stated in the "Anti-imperialism" section. Plus, I'd like to suggest adding that we support the struggle of these nations for self-determination. | ||
As to the second point, my suggestion is to simply remove the word "fully" if applicable. | As to the second point, my suggestion is to simply remove the word "fully" if applicable. | ||