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Some Notes Before Reading[edit | edit source]

This is a collection of sources or observations I made during my interaction with Maoists. This will be split in two parts.

The first will be Observation, where I look at Maoists and see how they act. This may be the weakest one, as not all maoists do not represent the observations I made. It may also be biased considering most of my interactions are from twitter mostly. I will be considering the so-called 'internet maoists' or MLMpM maoists. I'm not considering the 'maoists' who support modern socialist nations (I don't think they are maoists anyways). The distinction between other maoists can be blurry, and that will be introduced in the future in my upcoming essay.

The second will be Sources, of which some sources may have a C in them. For the sources that do not contain an C, They are trustworthy sources, as in sources which are valid and can be used without backlash, typically socialist and marxist-leninist sources, or sources of indisputable fact. C means Caution, and that they are sources which will need more time of consideration, especially if it comes from a bourgeois or revisionist source. All bourgeois state media sources (regardless of origin) will have a C put next to the link. Rarely, if ever, will an X appear. An X means that this source has been analysed and has been discarded. The link next to it also will appear with a strikethrough line, and brackets stating it's reason.

All of this is in preparation of my second edition to the Problems with Maoism essay, which if you want to read, click the name of the essay.

Observation[edit | edit source]

Maoists appealing to the 'all or nothing' fallacy[edit | edit source]

Maoists typically despise electoralism, which is valid. However, the maoists also despise communists participating in elections despite it being reasonably valid and the bolsheviks did run an election in 1917. List of occurrences:

Apples to Oranges Comparison[edit | edit source]

Many maoists compare the atrocities of the Shining Path to either the Tombov rebellion or some atrocities by the North Vietnamese. List of occurrences:

https://twitter.com/5HAW4RMA/status/1623314120970850304?t=esNtFsOIWHvt1DkK04Bfmw&s=19

Another example is attempting to compare socialist states to capitalist ones, just because both done similar actions do not mean they are the same. List of occurrences:

https://twitter.com/Republican_Eire/status/1625900906263851013

Misuse of the term Fascism[edit | edit source]

This is also noted in the CPI (Marxist) heading. List of occurrences:

https://twitter.com/WhiteMaoTseTung/status/1612946845205929984
X ~~https://lemmygrad.ml/post/508770~~ (Is now apparently a 'Maoist-Titoite', may be retracted later)

Cultish behaviour of the Maoists[edit | edit source]

We can cite multiple examples for this, and the funniest one I found the first one because it screams 'graphic design is my passion'. List of occurrences:

Interestingly enough, a person on twitter compared the Maoist group to the Mormons, since the person in question was a Mormon. This should be taken with a critical viewpoint for now: C https://twitter.com/ProletariatRis1/status/1604550217218478082

As a slight tangent, revisionist parties such as the Socialist Party of Great Britain also utter the same argument as the Maoists, claiming that because China has billionaires, it is clearly state capitalist: https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1630553749453438976

There can be parallels drawn between Anarchists, Trotskyists and Maoists, however that deserves a whole another chapter on its own.

Maoists uphold exporting revolution[edit | edit source]

Maoists typically uphold the export of revolution as a means to enhance 'proletarian internationalism', even though Stalin despises this calling the export of revolution 'nonsense'.

Maoists upholding Pol Pot[edit | edit source]

Maoists typically uphold Pol Pot, because Mao supported it against the Sino-Soviet Split. Maoists can go so far as to suggest that the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, and the establishment of the People's Republic of Kampuchea, is social-imperialist, and that Vietnam was actively controlling the PRK.

Maoists typically use 'one-off' lines as legitimate basis for theory[edit | edit source]

This is easily seen by looking at social-imperialism. I won't delve into it deeply, so look at the social-imperialism article. There's also this one, which is basically the 1849 equivalent of the guillotine meme. List of occurrences:

X ~~https://twitter.com/HighestZero/status/1625508295380242434~~ (Not a maoist)

Notes on Theory Written by Maoist Writers[edit | edit source]

Collected Works of the Shining Path, Volume 1[edit | edit source]

Page 13: Mariategui characterises Peru as 'Semi-Feudal'. While at the time this may be correct, and Gonzalo views this as correct (note that the time period can be before 1930, at the time of Mariategui's death), the document about Mariategui was written in 1968, over 3 decades since Mariategui probably made the distinction (the date of statement is not included). The material conditions may not have the same in comparison to back then.

Page 24: 'Data is a bourgeois concept' -Abimael Guzman, 1968

Stopped at Page 24

Sources[edit | edit source]

Sources on the Shining Path[edit | edit source]

Sources on China[edit | edit source]

Maoist China[edit | edit source]

Modern China[edit | edit source]

Gang of Four and Origins of Maoism[edit | edit source]

CPI (Marxist) Sources[edit | edit source]

Sources regarding the CPP[edit | edit source]

General[edit | edit source]

A Short History Of The PARTIDO KOMUNISTA NG PILIPINAS
SOME NOTES ON THE HISTORY OF THE PKP-1930
C PKP 14th Congress (Available only in Filipino, requires translation)
CPP-NPA Hit List

Ties with Senator Ninoy[edit | edit source]

Miscellaneous[edit | edit source]

Western Marxism, the Fetish for Defeat, and Christian Culture (May be useful in discussing why Maoists support failed revolutions)
FBI's Maoist Faction

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 The first will be '''Observation''', where I look at Maoists and see how they act. This may be the weakest one, as not all maoists do not represent the observations I made. It may also be biased considering most of my interactions ''are'' from twitter mostly. I will be considering the so-called 'internet maoists' or MLMpM maoists. I'm not considering the 'maoists' who support modern socialist nations (I don't think they are maoists anyways). The distinction between other maoists can be blurry, and that will be introduced in the future in my upcoming essay.
-The second will be '''Sources''', of which it will be divided into two parts. Trustworthy and Mixed. Trustworthy sources are sources which are valid and can be used without backlash, typically socialist and marxist-leninist sources, or sources of indisputable fact. Mixed sources are sources which will need more time of consideration, especially if it comes from a bourgeois or revisionist source. All state media sources (regardless of origin) will be put in there as well.
+The second will be '''Sources''', of which some sources may have a '''C''' in them. For the sources that do not contain an '''C''', They are trustworthy sources, as in sources which are valid and can be used without backlash, typically socialist and marxist-leninist sources, or sources of indisputable fact. '''C''' means Caution, and that they are sources which will need more time of consideration, especially if it comes from a bourgeois or revisionist source. All bourgeois state media sources (regardless of origin) will have a '''C''' put next to the link. Rarely, if ever, will an '''X''' appear. An '''X''' means that this source has been analysed and has been discarded. The link next to it also will appear with a strikethrough line, and brackets stating it's reason.
 All of this is in preparation of my second edition to the [[Essay:Problems with Maoism|Problems with Maoism]] essay, which if you want to read, click the name of the essay.
+== Observation ==
+=== Maoists appealing to the 'all or nothing' fallacy ===
+Maoists typically despise electoralism, which is valid. However, the maoists also despise communists participating in elections
+despite it being reasonably valid and the bolsheviks did run an election in 1917. List of occurrences:
+* https://twitter.com/HoChiMeme1/status/1625165495178612737
+* https://twitter.com/general_falcone/status/1541197421388218368
+=== Apples to Oranges Comparison ===
+Many maoists compare the atrocities of the Shining Path to either the Tombov rebellion or some atrocities by the North Vietnamese. List of occurrences:
+* https://twitter.com/5HAW4RMA/status/1623314120970850304?t=esNtFsOIWHvt1DkK04Bfmw&s=19
+Another example is attempting to compare socialist states to capitalist ones, just because both done similar actions do not mean they are the same. List of occurrences:
+* https://twitter.com/Republican_Eire/status/1625900906263851013
+=== Misuse of the term Fascism ===
+This is also noted in the [[#CPI (Marxist) Sources|CPI (Marxist)]] heading. List of occurrences:
+* https://twitter.com/WhiteMaoTseTung/status/1612946845205929984
+* '''X''' <s>https://lemmygrad.ml/post/508770</s> (Is now apparently a 'Maoist-Titoite', may be retracted later)
+=== Cultish behaviour of the Maoists ===
+We can cite multiple examples for this, and the funniest one I found the first one because it screams 'graphic design is my passion'. List of occurrences:
+* [https://www.tkpml.com/tkp-ml-central-committee-comrade-gonzalo-has-become-immortal/ Gonzalo has become immortal!]
+* https://twitter.com/GonzaloPosting/status/1487092235577569280
+* [https://gplpcp.wordpress.com/line-of-construction-of-the-three-instruments-of-the-revolution/ Line of Construction of the Three Instruments of Revolution]
+Interestingly enough, a person on twitter compared the Maoist group to the Mormons, since the person in question was a Mormon. This should be taken with a critical viewpoint for now: '''C''' https://twitter.com/ProletariatRis1/status/1604550217218478082
+As a slight tangent, revisionist parties such as the Socialist Party of Great Britain also utter the same argument as the Maoists, claiming that because China has billionaires, it is ''clearly'' state capitalist: https://twitter.com/OfficialSPGB/status/1630553749453438976
+There can be parallels drawn between Anarchists, Trotskyists and Maoists, however that deserves a whole another chapter on its own.
+=== Maoists uphold exporting revolution ===
+Maoists typically uphold the export of revolution as a means to enhance 'proletarian internationalism', even though Stalin despises this calling the export of revolution 'nonsense'.
+=== Maoists upholding Pol Pot ===
+Maoists typically uphold Pol Pot, because Mao supported it against the Sino-Soviet Split. Maoists can go so far as to suggest that the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia, and the establishment of the People's Republic of Kampuchea, is social-imperialist, and that Vietnam was actively controlling the PRK.
+=== Maoists typically use 'one-off' lines as legitimate basis for theory ===
+This is easily seen by looking at [[Social-imperialism|social-imperialism]]. I won't delve into it deeply, so look at the social-imperialism article. There's also this [https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1849/05/19c.htm one], which is basically the 1849 equivalent of the guillotine meme. List of occurrences:
-== Observation ==
+* '''X''' <s>https://twitter.com/HighestZero/status/1625508295380242434</s> (Not a maoist)
+=== Notes on Theory Written by Maoist Writers ===
+==== Collected Works of the Shining Path, Volume 1 ====
+'''Page 13''': Mariategui characterises Peru as 'Semi-Feudal'. While at the time this may be correct, and Gonzalo views this as correct (note that the time period can be before 1930, at the time of Mariategui's death), the document about Mariategui was written in 1968, over 3 decades since Mariategui probably made the distinction (the date of statement is not included). The material conditions may not have the same in comparison to back then.
+'''Page 24''': 'Data is a bourgeois concept' -Abimael Guzman, 1968
+''Stopped at Page 24''
 == Sources ==
+=== Sources on the Shining Path ===
+* [https://web.archive.org/web/20071108165711/http://www.blythe.org/peru-pcp/docs_en/interv.htm Interview with Chairman Gonzalo], [http://www.redsun.org/pcp_doc/pcp_0788.htm Red Sun Version]
+* [https://www.bannedthought.net/Peru/CPP/Collections/CollectedWorksOfTheCommunistPartyOfPeru-V1-1968-1987.pdf Collected works of the Communist Party of Peru - Shining Path, Volume 1]
+* [https://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/The-Collected-Works-of-The-Communist-Party-of-Peru-Volume-2-1988-1990.pdf Collected works of the Communist Party of Peru - Shining Path, Volume 2]
+* [https://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Collected-Works-of-The-Communist-Party-of-Peru-Volume-3-1991-1992.pdf Collected works of the Communist Party of Peru - Shining Path, Volume 3]
+* [https://michaelharrison.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/The-Collected-Works-of-the-Communist-Party-of-Peru-Volume-4-1993-1999.pdf Collected works of the Communist Party of Peru - Shining Path, Volume 4]
+* '''C''' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHqJDs3OuhQ BadEmpanada's video on the Shining Path] (Uses state media sources but still invaluable)
+=== Sources on China ===
+==== Maoist China ====
+==== Modern China ====
+* [https://monthlyreview.org/2021/07/01/china-imperialism-or-semi-periphery/ China: Imperialism or Semi-periphery?]
+* [https://tjen-folket.no/index.php/en/2019/08/15/china-a-social-imperialist-great-power/ China - A social imperialist power]
+* [https://www.bannedthought.net/India/CPI-Maoist-Docs/Books/China-Social-Imperialism-CPI-Maoist-2021-Eng-view.pdf China – a new Social-Imperialist power!]
+=== Gang of Four and Origins of Maoism ===
+* [https://redsails.org/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-gang-of-four/ The Rise and Fall of the Gang of Four (1977)]
+* [https://redsails.org/theory-and-the-gang-of-four/ Theory and the Gang of Four (1977)]
+* [https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-3/smashing.htm Smashing the Gang of Four Was a Great Victory For the Working Class and Socialism]
+* '''C''' [https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/uphold-the-four-cardinal-principles/ Uphold the Four Cardinal Principles] (Deng)
+* '''C''' [https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/mao-zedong-thought-must-be-correctly-understood-as-an-integral-whole/ Mao Zedong Thought Must Be Correctly Understood As An Integral Whole] (Deng)
+* '''C''' [https://dengxiaopingworks.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/speech-at-the-opening-ceremony-of-the-national-conference-on-science/ Speech At the Opening Ceremony of the National Conference On Science] (Deng)
+=== CPI (Marxist) Sources ===
+* [https://cpim.org/content/naxalism-today Naxalism Today (1985)]
+* [https://cpim.org/documents/political-resolution-adopted-20th-congress Political Resolution Adopted at the 20th Congress]
+=== Sources regarding the CPP ===
+==== General ====
+* [http://www.pkp-1930.com/history A Short History Of The PARTIDO KOMUNISTA NG PILIPINAS]
+* [http://www.pkp-1930.com/some-notes-in-history SOME NOTES ON THE HISTORY OF THE PKP-1930]
+* '''C''' [http://www.pkp-1930.com/pkp-14th-congress PKP 14th Congress] (Available only in Filipino, requires translation)
+* [https://socialistworker.org/2005-1/532/532_07_WaldenBello.php CPP-NPA Hit List]
+==== Ties with Senator Ninoy ====
-=== Trustworthy ===
+* [https://www.josemariasison.eu/on-ninoy-aquinos-relations-with-cpp-npa/ Interview with Jose Maria Sison regarding Ninoy]
+* [https://kahimyang.com/kauswagan/articles/581/ninoy-aquinos-ties-with-the-new-peoples-army-and-the-communist-party-of-the-philippines Ninoy Aquino's ties with the New People's Army and the Communist Party of the Philippines]
+* [https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2022/09/22/2211276/fact-check-enrile-repeats-unfounded-claim-ninoy-aquino-organized-cpp-npa-mnlf Bourgeois News sites claiming Ninoy had no ties]
-=== Mixed ===
+=== Miscellaneous ===
-== References ==
+* [https://redsails.org/western-marxism-and-christianity/ Western Marxism, the Fetish for Defeat, and Christian Culture] (May be useful in discussing why Maoists support failed revolutions)
+* [https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/167878 FBI's Maoist Faction]