Editing Comradeship:Jucheguevara/Archive



Thank you for your contributions, comrade.

If you use Telegram, feel free to contact me @felipeforte --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 00:55, 2 November 2020 (-03)

: Appreciate the kind words, [[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]! Happy to help this very important project. --[[User:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]] ([[User talk:Jucheguevara|talk]]) 03:13, 3 November 2020 (-03)

= Consider inviting more comrades =
Contributing to this encyclopedia has been a learning experience, especially in my theoretical education of political economy. We need to invite comrades to help build this project so this can become a great service to the working class of all nations, by helping us in the process of education.

We also need to develop our project's democratic system, to ensure the project has all the means to continue in case I go missing, or something. --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 22:56, 4 November 2020 (-03)
:I propose we create a "ProleWiki:Governance" page to discuss stuff like this, for now it would be a list of trusted admins, but eventually it can grow to encompass discussions about lines of succession and transition of power should any of us become inactive for any reason. --[[User:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]] ([[User talk:Jucheguevara|talk]]) 19:47, 8 November 2020 (-03)

== Check this template out ==

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|{{External links|Wikipedia=Karl Marx|Leftypedia=Karl Marx|EcuRed=Karl Marx}}
|}

[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 03:20, 6 November 2020 (-03)

== Green book primary source ==

Your work is very much appreciated, but books and primary sources should be marxist works only. I'm sorry, I was not careful in having a discussion about the scope and use of the library, but I updated this information in our [[ProleWiki:Library|library policy]]. --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 00:05, 11 November 2020 (-03)
: Does this mean we cannot add ''The Juche Idea'' by Kim Il-sung due to the fact that Juche is no longer considered by the Korean Worker's Party as a variant of Marxism-Leninism, but rather a distinctly Korean ideology? --[[User:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]] ([[User talk:Jucheguevara|talk]]) 13:53, 12 November 2020 (-03)
::''The Juche Idea'' is a marxist work, and Kim Il-sung was a marxist-leninist, so of course you can contribute that work to our library. --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 02:39, 14 November 2020 (-03)

== Questions about Templates ==
Thank you for your message, comrade! Actually, I have some familiarity with MediaWiki and how to use it, my problem is that I'm awful at writing and just can't find a way to phrase it in a way that isn't confusing.

By the way, I see the [[ProleWiki:How_to_contribute/en]] mentions making the templates that are needed. I've been wondering — do we need infobox-style templates? Wikipedia uses a lot of them (see a list [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes here]), and in my opinion, they're useful for displaying some basic data about something or someone. Taking some of these from Wikipedia won't be too hard probably.

P. S. I like your username. :) [[User:I luv pingu|I luv pingu]] ([[User talk:I luv pingu|talk]])--

: I'm glad to hear you're familiar with MediaWiki, and I'm happy to follow up on the pages you create and help with the writing! I generally keep an eye on the "Recent changes" page so I can help improve any active pages. 

: I very much like the idea of creating an infobox template! definitely feel free to do so and promote its usage throughout, and I'll try to join in your efforts to add them! 

: and I'm glad you like the username! :) --[[User:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]] ([[User talk:Jucheguevara|talk]])

:: I was able to finally import some Infobox templates yesterday, take a look: https://prolewiki.org/wiki/Brazilian_Communist_Party <br/>
::The template [[Template:Infobox political party]], used here as an example, uses another template at its core, [[Template:Infobox]]. To create more infoboxes, you need to use the Infobox template just like the political party example, and adapt the headers to the new infobox you're creating. Also importing from Wikipedia sometimes doesn't work and requires tweaking because Wikipedia is a mess. --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 15:41, 20 November 2020 (-03)

== Survival of our project ==

Greetings, comrade. I'm sending you this message before the due date to pay our bills in HostGator, which is around November/December. Considering your efforts were crucial in the development of our project, I'm discussing this directly with you. I don't know if it's best to continue our project through HostGator, but in any case, a comrade of ours has collected data on a spreadsheet about available hosting services and their pricing, and it's a document we can use to being a research.

I'm no longer employed and won't have much to contribute financially to our project, but I still can contribute to a part of it. I don't think it's sustainable in the long run for you to pay for our project like you did last time, so I suggest that after we decide on our hosting, that we being a campaign for donations through every media available to us, I'm quite sure we will be able to collect enough money to sustain the project.

The second thing is the massive decline that we've suffered in the last months. I'm pretty sure that I'm to blame as my leadership in the project was quite lacking, and I ignored my tasks on ProleWiki for too long. Our methods of organization of our work were lacking, because to sustain this project we would not only need work inside ProleWiki, but outside as well, such as sharing the work we've done, using social media to promote our articles, etc. We would invariably need a division of labor here.

In any case, the organization of our work is a secondary, although extremely important, issue. At the moment we should focus on the hosting issue and decide together what is to be done. Once you read this, hmu on Telegram so I can send you the spreadsheet with the compilation of hosting services.

— ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 23:21, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

== Unbloatting of the wanted pages ==

I've recently made an effort to unbloat the Wanted Pages section by creating stub pages for Library works, which were previously bloatting the whole of the Wanted Pages.

Currently, the Wanted Pages are still bloated by the "Communist parties" template we use everywhere. I think we could slowly unbloat it by creating articles with no content whatsoever, just to unbloat it, and we'll add information over time.

On a side note, I see there is mention of a Communist Party of Brazil (PCdoB), which in my understanding shouldn't be included in the "communist parties" section, considering it is a bourgeois party which makes alliances with extreme right-wing parties,<ref>[https://www.esquerdadiario.com.br/PCdoB-faz-coligacoes-com-PSL-em-70-cidades-e-afunda-ainda-mais-na-conciliacao-com-golpistas PCdoB makes alliances with PSL (Bolsonaro's 2018 election party) in 70 cities]</ref> has pardoned R$1 billion in debt of evangelical churches<ref>[https://www.esquerdadiario.com.br/Toda-bancada-do-PcdoB-vota-a-favor-da-isencao-as-igrejas The PCdoB unanimously supports the Churches' debt forgiveness project]</ref> (which is a base for ideological support for the fascist Bolsonaro) and has graciously allowed a US military space base in our territory.<ref>[https://pcdob.org.br/noticias/pcdob-reafirma-apoio-ao-acordo-para-uso-da-base-de-alcantara/ PCdoB reaffirms support for the Alcântara Base Use Agreement ]</ref>

In my current understanding, there are two Marxist-Leninist communist parties which are somewhat consistent in Brazil, Revolutionary Communist Party (PCR) and Brazilian Communist Party (PCB). Besides those, there are various revolutionary organizations, but they are too small and some do not follow the Leninist party formation. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 00:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

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:I agree with unbloating the wanted pages, I will help you in this effort whenever my own availability allows. Thanks, comrade!

:I also defer to your understanding of PCdoB, as I'm unfamiliar and not investigated them at all. I was using Wikipedia's Communist Party Template, but it can be altered however we see fit. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup>

:: Yeah, I think we can build this over time. To put links to the most relevant communist parties based on the information we are presented from those who study the parties and those who witness their practice, aligned with the possibility of change when presented with counter-evidences, etc. This doesn't mean we shouldn't do articles on, for instance, PCdoB, because it's useful to create articles on reformist communist parties presenting further concrete evidence that points to why we do not subscribe to certain parties. For now, I haven't changed the template yet. As to the unbloating, check what I've done on the bloated articles. I simply create an empty article with <pre><nowiki>{{Communist parties}}</nowiki></pre> and I save it. That should do it for now to free up the space. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 00:07, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

== Disclaimer for works available in Library ==

I have made a disclaimer for works that are available in our library. However, its style for some reason doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the article, and I'm not sure what it is.

Take a look at the article [[War Is a Racket]] to see what I mean — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 21:39, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

== American vs. Statesian ==

Comrade, what do you think of the use of these demonyms in our articles? Some articles use Statesian, other use American. 

Most Latin American countries use "estadounidense" (''lit.'' United-Statesian) or similar to describe the people or something originating from the United States, a counterpoint to the demonym "American", which carries an implicit imperialist ideology behind it. What are your thoughts on it? — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 00:51, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

:While "American" is the term I'm most familiar with (given that I reside in the belly of the beast) I wouldn't be opposed to trying to pivot towards "Statesian" ... I think we need pages for both of these Demonyms to clarify what they mean and link to it when it comes up. (Or link only the first instance on the page, similar to the style guide of English Wikipedia) --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup> 15:05, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

::Follow up: While I still stand by what I initially said, we could also consider using "U.S. American" wherever this situation arises. I would argue that would be more familiar with the english-speaking audience. Estadounidense could of course be used on our Spanish versions. But again, I'm okay with Statesian as long as we link to a demonym explanation page. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup> 16:50, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

== Citation templates ==

Comrade, I've noticed in most of your edits that you do not use the [[Template:Citation|Citation template]], for some reason. This doesn't mean that it's an error on your part, but there's also no problem in asking for a template more suited to certain sources, if that's the case. So, how can I help, comrade? — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 15:33, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

:I tried using it on [https://en.prolewiki.org/index.php?title=2021_Nicaraguan_general_election&curid=2642&oldid=8085 this page], but reverted it so that I could link to the publication (The Grayzone). If the publication could be shown on the citation template, that might serve my use cases. However, I don't wish to be the source of scope creep on this template, which is why have been utilizing the old method. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup> 16:12, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
== Creating new articles. ==

Hello. Can I create a new article? At the moment I can only make edits to other articles. [[Comrade:Olivee|Olivee]]

I have changed your user group to comrade, now you should be able to create new pages.  ''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup> 19:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. [[Comrade:Olivee|Olivee]]