Talk:Mikhail Gorbachev

Let me show myself, gentlemen! Yeah, I see hypocritical dogmatism from the members of this forum, you support Deng Xiapoing and those who subjected Chinese workers to American sweatshops, low wages, suppressed workers' rights, yet you don't support a man who was flawed, yet tried to improve upon Soviet Socialism? He was no anticommunist or social democrat, he ironically enough was a better man and truer communist than most of you. China also has McDonald's and I really don't support China's economic reforms, nor all of Gorbachev's, but I do like certain elements of Gorbachev's political and social reforms, especially the emphasis on social reforms which had more impact on improving the lives of Soviet citizens and letting them be freer, I'm not saying the Soviet Union was completely unfree before, but still. You're all hypocritical and disrespectful.

It's clear that you don't want to engage in good faith the moment you said that China has a McDonald's. It is fine to question about comparison between the Gorbachev's and Deng's reform strategies but it is clear that you do not want to engage on a good faith discussion. You claim of us to have hypocritical dogmatism yet you provide no evidence. Your only evidence is a false premise which isn't even comparable to material conditions (https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/articles/dengs-and-gorbachevs-reform-strategies-compared/).

In regards to improving soviet socialism, Gorbachev claimed that he wanted to liquidate communism right in the first sentence (https://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv6n1/gorbach.htm).

Please consider rectifying your mistakes and consider entering good faith discussion with other prolewiki comrades, thank you.

Gorbachev wanted peace and had reasonable goals, he called the dissolution of the Soviet Union a coup, he too wanted to preserve it.

Anti-revisionist = Supporting Gorbachev. You may not be a supporter of the CPC and its method of development through the open up policies, however, you are giving very anti-communist stances, give us a reason not to ban you.

This is not even to mention the “freedom lover” in your bio, a clear sign of pat soc ideology.

What is your overall point? If you have ideas on how to edit the page please join the Discord to discuss it more easily.

You also agreed to our principles when making your account, which looked like this at the time: https://en.prolewiki.org/index.php?title=ProleWiki:Principles&oldid=8937, clearly outlining our support for the PRC, and now seem to be revoking your approval of the principles that you signed.

You've called us "hypocritical" and "dogmatic" when we refer to the man's own words saying he wanted to liquidate communism. He has said that in later interviews after Russia regressed to capitalism. We have substantial evidence in the references left out in the article, but instead you attack the whole community of ProleWiki when you could be otherwise be making a useful critique that could improve the contents of the article. You also give no references to give your claims more substance and you do not question our sources either, pointing out their flaws.

So, what are you trying to accomplish with thís? Do you want us to abandon the truth so that we whitewash the actions of an anti-communist and pretend he was trying to save the USSR, when his actions directly influenced the overthrow of the country?

If you're attacking us because you wish to abandon this project and be expelled from it, then you don't have to do anything, just leave this website and let us do our work. If you continue to bother us, you will be removed entirely from the project, so there's no point in doing what you're doing.