Topic on Talk:Freedom Road Socialist Organization

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The fact you want a precise number suggests that you know very little about evidence. Evidence can determine if an organisation is revisionist or not. The more evidence, the better. More evidence means there's a better idea to determine the organisation as revisionist. I'm not looking for a specific number. I don't care enough for a specific number. The more evidence, the better.

I asked for criteria; not an insult.

Also, you literally whined about me "NoT hAvInG enoUgH EViDenCE" so I asked you what would be enough evidence. Now you're moving the damn goalposts into "I Don'T wAnT a nUmBeR." No shit I wasn't just looking for a number; I was looking for criteria. So I don't know how to satisfy the request for "mOrE eViDenCE!"

Yes. I never stated they were marxist based on a claim. I stated they were revolutionary.

To be revolutionary in a bourgeois country is to be a marxist (a communist using marxism). This is fact.

Why isolate revolutionary from marxist as if they're two different things? This is silly metaphysics.

FRSO does not believe in reform. FRSO believes in revolution. They employ grassroots actions, such as employing the mass line. They have an entire article dedicated to the mass line as I shown earlier.

That doesn't answer the question: Why can't they get off their asses and get communist politicians? (as in, to use in elections so that the party can show the working class that bourgeois elections are farces.) The PCUSA literally endorsed communist candidates during 2020.

Geoffrey Young denounces the Ukraine war and claims the Democratic Party is fascist. https://twitter.com/GeoffYoung4KY/status/1605593373229711360

Ok. source found. Does he understand anti-imperialism, or is he just using it as a point to get into congress?

In regards to him turning pro-imperialist after elections, there is no evidence to suggest that will happen yet.

We can predict it though; by getting their economic data.

and why are you focusing so much on future evidence?

He is only a local politician, not one that runs congress.

Exactly; he's still going to turn into a pro-imperialist.

Why are you metaphysically isolating local and congress politicians as if they're different governments? They're interconnected.

Yes? I'm not denying that. But keep in mind local democrat politicians are not the same as politicians in congress.

Different in what sense?

Politicians in congress do not care about the proletariat, they are part of the duopoly to stop socialism from surging.

> And lone actions like these are influenced by the party and their indiciative of the party's real theory.

I doubt the person who joined the server and the former prolewiki editor are any indication of the party itself. Especially the former prolewiki editor, who just recently joined the FRSO.

Also, no one tried to defend the PCUSA article when I edited it to state that they defended Patriotic Socialism and that they are therefore revisionist.

False equivalence. Patsocism is proven to be a tailist, reactionary ideology.

It's proven because the U.S.

Likewise, FRSO endorsing a fucking democrat, without any explanation for why this is neccessary is proof of opportunism.

PCUSA should be denounced in regards to supporting these measures. This is nowhere near the same as supporting a local democrat.

Of course, it isn't the same; they're two different parties with two different ideologies. Doesn't stop me from proving that FRSO is opportunists.

If you can provide more evidence which is more likely to suggest that FRSO is revisionist, then please do. I am not here to defend FRSO. If they are revisionist, then provide evidence for it.

I already did; right fucking here: https://www.fightbacknews.org/2023/4/6/brandon-johnson-elected-mayor-chicago


Btw, I would love it you didn't chop up my quotes and bucher their context. - Comrade Amicchan (talk) 18:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)