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I'm not throwing Stalin on the dirt, i'm preserving an encyclopedic/academic tradition for usage of a primary source. When we expand the article with Stalin's construction of the concept and views, we can cite him, and in fact it's good we cite him, as it is one of my goals to explore specifically what Stalin's developments brought to ML on the wiki. But when we are citing the basics of a concept, we should, in fact, cite it's primary synthesis and origin. | I'm not throwing Stalin on the dirt, i'm preserving an encyclopedic/academic tradition for usage of a primary source. When we expand the article with Stalin's construction of the concept and views, we can cite him, and in fact it's good we cite him, as it is one of my goals to explore specifically what Stalin's developments brought to ML on the wiki. But when we are citing the basics of a concept, we should, in fact, cite it's primary synthesis and origin. | ||
:Following your reasoning, we shouldn't cite Lenin either, since he builds upon the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. And we shouldn't cite neither Marx or Engels, since they build upon the works of Hegel, Smith and Ricardo, and the French utopians. This makes no sense at all. --[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 15:35, 20 November 2020 (-03) | |||
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Thoughts on adding transcripts of YouTube videos or podcasts to our library? --Jucheguevara (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2020 (-03)
- This is definitely a great idea. I can even add some content created by Brazilian marxists, which is criminally unaccessible to most. --FelipeForte (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2020 (-03)
Hello
https://www.redstarpublishers.org/FundamentalsML.pdf
--177.19.92.1 17:01, 6 November 2020 (-03)
Bom Dia
Bom dia, camarada. Percebi que não existe muita atenção pra fontes na wiki, com vários artigos contendo nem fontes internas. Eu estou revisando alguns artigos e tentando achar fontes para eles, só que o que mais precisa de fontes é a Lista de atrocidades dos EUA. Eu entendo a necessidade de ter um ponto de vista fora da academia burguesa, e que essa é a proposta da nossa wiki, só que isso não quer dizer que não necessitamos de incluir nossas próprias fontes. De fato, quer dizer que precisamos ter critérios firmes convendo a citação.
- Compreendo a preocupação do/a camarada, mas no momento que a ProleWiki se encontra, essa não é tanto a prioridade. Precisamos de quantidade de contribuintes, não tanto qualidade de artigos, no momento. Nesse caso, nós mesmos somos as fontes por enquanto, cada um corrige aquilo que compreende como errado. Se houver conflitos, aí sim de fato seria facilmente resolvido por fontes, mas por ora não é tanto uma necessidade. Contudo, o trabalho de sustentar os artigos atuais com fontes será eventualmente necessário, então o/a camarada tem a livre iniciativa para fazê-lo onde puder. Obrigado, camarada! --FelipeForte (talk) 08:54, 19 November 2020 (-03)
- Como disse o felipe, nossa prioridade atual é aumentar o escopo do wiki. Mas eu concordo que devemos começar a adicionar fontes proletárias e anti-imperailistas em nosso wiki para ajudar a melhorar a qualidade e confiabilidade das informações. Saúde, camaradas! (p.s. isto foi traduzido automaticamente, espero que não seja tão terrível) --Jucheguevara (talk)
- lol por alguma razão eu pensei que este tópico estava na minha página de discussão e é por isso que respondi ... me perdoe por me intrometer! --Jucheguevara (talk)
- Esquenta não, camarada kkkk --FelipeForte (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2020 (-03)
Re: Stalin Talk
Yes, i know. I read Stalin, in fact, i wouldn't be in a ML wiki if i hadn't. However, the hierarchy of sourcing is important, and we should always cite PRIMARY SOURCES when possible, because they are precious and we should maintain the encyclopedic and academic tradition to always have them as a first citation. Since Stalin is building upon and commenting on the work of Marx and Engels in Dialectical and Historical Materialism, his work is a secondary source.
I'm not throwing Stalin on the dirt, i'm preserving an encyclopedic/academic tradition for usage of a primary source. When we expand the article with Stalin's construction of the concept and views, we can cite him, and in fact it's good we cite him, as it is one of my goals to explore specifically what Stalin's developments brought to ML on the wiki. But when we are citing the basics of a concept, we should, in fact, cite it's primary synthesis and origin.
- Following your reasoning, we shouldn't cite Lenin either, since he builds upon the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. And we shouldn't cite neither Marx or Engels, since they build upon the works of Hegel, Smith and Ricardo, and the French utopians. This makes no sense at all. --FelipeForte (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2020 (-03)