Comradeship:Forte/Archive

Thoughts on adding transcripts of YouTube videos or podcasts to our library? --Jucheguevara (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2020 (-03)

This is definitely a great idea. I can even add some content created by Brazilian marxists, which is criminally unaccessible to most. --FelipeForte (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2020 (-03)

Hello

https://www.redstarpublishers.org/FundamentalsML.pdf

--177.19.92.1 17:01, 6 November 2020 (-03)

Bom Dia

Bom dia, camarada. Percebi que não existe muita atenção pra fontes na wiki, com vários artigos contendo nem fontes internas. Eu estou revisando alguns artigos e tentando achar fontes para eles, só que o que mais precisa de fontes é a Lista de atrocidades dos EUA. Eu entendo a necessidade de ter um ponto de vista fora da academia burguesa, e que essa é a proposta da nossa wiki, só que isso não quer dizer que não necessitamos de incluir nossas próprias fontes. De fato, quer dizer que precisamos ter critérios firmes convendo a citação.

Compreendo a preocupação do/a camarada, mas no momento que a ProleWiki se encontra, essa não é tanto a prioridade. Precisamos de quantidade de contribuintes, não tanto qualidade de artigos, no momento. Nesse caso, nós mesmos somos as fontes por enquanto, cada um corrige aquilo que compreende como errado. Se houver conflitos, aí sim de fato seria facilmente resolvido por fontes, mas por ora não é tanto uma necessidade. Contudo, o trabalho de sustentar os artigos atuais com fontes será eventualmente necessário, então o/a camarada tem a livre iniciativa para fazê-lo onde puder. Obrigado, camarada! --FelipeForte (talk) 08:54, 19 November 2020 (-03)

Como disse o felipe, nossa prioridade atual é aumentar o escopo do wiki. Mas eu concordo que devemos começar a adicionar fontes proletárias e anti-imperailistas em nosso wiki para ajudar a melhorar a qualidade e confiabilidade das informações. Saúde, camaradas! (p.s. isto foi traduzido automaticamente, espero que não seja tão terrível) --Jucheguevara (talk)

lol por alguma razão eu pensei que este tópico estava na minha página de discussão e é por isso que respondi ... me perdoe por me intrometer! --Jucheguevara (talk)

Esquenta não, camarada kkkk --FelipeForte (talk) 19:25, 19 November 2020 (-03)

Re: Stalin Talk

Yes, i know. I read Stalin, in fact, i wouldn't be in a ML wiki if i hadn't. However, the hierarchy of sourcing is important, and we should always cite PRIMARY SOURCES when possible, because they are precious and we should maintain the encyclopedic and academic tradition to always have them as a first citation. Since Stalin is building upon and commenting on the work of Marx and Engels in Dialectical and Historical Materialism, his work is a secondary source.

I'm not throwing Stalin on the dirt, i'm preserving an encyclopedic/academic tradition for usage of a primary source. When we expand the article with Stalin's construction of the concept and views, we can cite him, and in fact it's good we cite him, as it is one of my goals to explore specifically what Stalin's developments brought to ML on the wiki. But when we are citing the basics of a concept, we should, in fact, cite it's primary synthesis and origin.

Following your reasoning, we shouldn't cite Lenin either, since he builds upon the works of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. And we shouldn't cite neither Marx or Engels, since they build upon the works of Hegel, Smith and Ricardo, and the French utopians. This makes no sense at all. --FelipeForte (talk) 15:35, 20 November 2020 (-03)

You completely ignored my point about academic source hierarchies. Marx and Engels invented new concepts, Stalin in his book summarizes those concepts and then builds upon them. Nothing we talk about in our wiki summary of historical materialism was actually created by Stalin, and we did not mention any of his constructions upon the concept.

I understand, comrade. You're right. —FelipeForte (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2020 (-03)

EDIT: He was wrong. — Supreme Comrade Felipe Forte ^(talk) 19:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Should ProleWiki have its own Discord server?

It could be useful for helping to build a stronger community around the wiki. I know we got Telegram groups but more people use Discord I reckon. Plus Discord has more features, like allowing for different channels and bots and all that cool stuff.

You mean, spyware Discord? — Supreme Comrade Felipe Forte ^(talk) 19:30, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

It's less spyware-y than Telegram anyway. — Comrade ComradeToph ^(talk) 02:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Please, read:

Although Telegram is surely not 100% safe, it's a way better option than Discord. Besides, the app we use is not based on security or safety, since it's unlikely we are ever safe in a capitalist-controlled service, we use Telegram because its clientside source-code is open, and therefore can be used in more devices. You can download Telegram through F-Droid for your smartphone, or through your Linux distro's repository, and even Windows (which you shouldn't use if you care about losing your documents and files). Telegram also is better in terms of number of users and usability, having more users outside the US than Discord (400 million users in Telegram vs. 250 million users in Discord). — Supreme Comrade Felipe Forte ^(talk) 12:29, 6 December 2020 (UTC)