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How many forces can be in a contradiction?

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Amicchan (talkcontribs)

I know that there must be at least 2 forces in a contradiction; but I am uncertain if the amount beyond that is limited or not.

Although I commonly see 2 forces in descriptions and illustrations of contradiction, when I read works on this topic (On Contradiction and Dialectical and Historical Materialism), I haven't seen any mention about a limit on the amount of forces that can exist in a contradiction. - Comrade Amicchan (talk) 10:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Deogeo (talkcontribs)

Here's a way to think about contradiction. There are progressive forces and reactionary forces. The CPC formed a united front with the KMT to break the grip the western powers held over China and end the century of humiliation. After this was done, the material conditions of China changed. Once the Chinese people had reclaimed their sovereignty from western colonialism, from Capital, they had a choice. Follow the still progressive CPC or follow the now reactionary KMT. The former representing the highest most advanced level of anti-imperialism and relations of production. With the latter, the KMT, representing a similar path to what Japan and South Korea took. Taking a junior partner roll as capitalist powers underneath the West-led Capital world-firm.

Is Starvation><Saturation a dialectical contradiction?

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Amicchan (talkcontribs)

I've been thinking of using this contradiction as a more universal example relevant to all animals or plants. We must nutrate ourselves, otherwise we can't gain necessary nutrients required to survive.

Deogeo (talkcontribs)

It depends. You've got dialectics that represent contradictory forces. Fascism versus Marxism Leninism. Position versus Speed in the subatomic world. And you've got dialectics that represent presence and absence of a force. Darkness is the absence of light. Cold is the absence of heat. Void versus phenomena. Starvation versus saturation seems this type of dialectic. Add it in!

CriticalResist (talkcontribs)

I think so, yes. If we keep to a simple definition of both based on absence or presence of nutrients in sufficient (or insufficient) quantities, starvation is clearly diametrically opposed to saturation. One cannot exist without the other either as our bodies process nutrients and require eventual refilling.

It also denotes a process of change: you were hungry (lacking nutrients, again for simplicity), you ate, now you are not hungry. But you will be again.

Amicchan (talkcontribs)

I'm in agreement with both.

Starvation><Saturation can also be used as an example of qualitative and quantitative contradictions; Starvation><Saturation is qualitative, because it is affected by the quantitative contradiction of the amount of nutrients.

Also, it can be used as an example for primary and second contradictions. Starvation & Saturation manifests as a result of the change in nutrients, so the quantitative contradiction of nutrients can be thought of as a primary contradiction, while Starvation><Saturation can be thought of as a secondary contradiction.

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