Topic on Talk:Psychiatry

@Amicchan Explain how psychiatry in, for instance, Cuba, is based on an "unscientific basis"? Also, I suggest you discuss these topics and establish community consensus before reverting edits. Do note that Anti-psychiatry is not partiulcarly popular. Comrade Wisconcom ^(talk) 12:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Psychiatry in socialist states still operate on the same basis as in bourgeois state. Psychiatry is based on (subjectively) curing mental disorders through "treatments". (This is still unscientific, for the reasons summarized nicely by this reddit post.)

Anyway, drugs are still connected to Psychiatry in socialist states, maybe at a lower level than bourgeois states. Psychiatry is still treated like a medicinal field in proletarian states, not just bourgeois states. - Comrade Amicchan ^(talk) 02:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The very fact that it is used in states which you regard as Socialist should disprove many of your claims. How can psychiatry be a "Big-pharma" conspiracy by the bourgeoisie to drug the workers into submission when it is used in states without a bourgeoisie are "Big-pharma"? Also, such a claim requires more than a reddit post, I am afraid. Comrade Wisconcom ^(talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

The very fact that it is used in states which you regard as Socialist should disprove many of your claims.

— Wisconcom

Uh, what? How does the use of Psychiatry disprove my claim that Psychiatry is unscientific? Many frauids use psuedosciences to scam or make people feel better, that doesn't make psuedosciences scientific.

How can psychiatry be a "Big-pharma" conspiracy by the bourgeoisie to drug the workers into submission when it is used in states without a bourgeoisie are "Big-pharma"?

— Wisconcom

This question is loaded with emotionally charged terms. I never stated that Psychiatry was a big-pharma conspiracy. If I stated that it was a bourgeois tool of oppression; then I redact that statement, as it's not inherently bourgeois. It manifests in capitalism from the state, not just bourgeois capitalism; there have been records of the idea of mental illness existing back in the time of the dominance of slave society.

Yes, Psychiatry is indeed used by the bourgeoisie to drug the workers into submission; one could argue that Psychiatry is a tool of the Ideological State Apparatus formed by the state as a need to quietly oppress the oppressed class.

Anyway, the counter argument is simple: Psychiatry is used by the proletarian state to oppress the bourgeoisie and counter-revolutionarries.

Also, such a claim requires more than a reddit post, I am afraid.

— Wisconcom

I was not using a reddit post as evidence; I was using it as a summary for my arguments that I would make against the notion that Psychiatry is a science.

Yes, of course. Once of the Proletarian state is formed, what we do with psychiatry is "turn it" on the bourgeoisie, and force the bad-chemical-scientism-posion-big-pharma-drugs down their mouths!

I do not have an interest in engaging in a meaningless and protracted back-and-forth as seen last time, you have already been indefinitely banned from other communities for your misinformation. Comrade Wisconcom ^(talk) 03:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Once of the Proletarian state is formed, what we do with psychiatry is "turn it" on the bourgeoisie...!

— Wisconcom

Yep, that's my suggestion on the issue of Psychiatry in socialist states. It will decompose on it's own in time, as it contradicts the core principles of science.

I do not have an interest in engaging in a meaningless and protracted back-and-forth as seen last time,

— Wisconcom

Meaningless back and forth? You are the one that started the conversation to begin with.

you have already been indefinitely banned from other communities for your misinformation.

— Wisconcom

It was a bullshit ban. I told an admin the truth: that ADHD cannot be objectively falsified (as required for use of the scientific method), so I logically concluded that ADHD is an unscientific label.

They pejoratively called my posts misinformation and ableism without bothering to tell me how or actually looking into how it's ableism.

Of course, I doubt those people even know what actual, not mainstream, science is.