Topic on ProleWiki talk:Principles

With the removal of all Patriotic Socialist and other social-chauvinist elements from our community, made offical on 27 September 2022, I suggest we formalize this into our principles somehow.

By doing this, we will be able to convey to any potential Patriotic Socialists, National Bolshevists, and "MAGA Communists" that their reactionary, revisionist ideology has no place on ProleWiki, and we will be able to more effectively remove any Patsoc sympathy which comrades may covertly have.

Thank you. Comrade Wisconcom ^(talk) 01:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm in agreement.

I agree too. I think we can perhaps expand on the Anti-oppression section to include an opposition to bourgeois nationalism, social-chauvinism or something along those lines. And we explicitly list examples, including the ones you mentioned (I'd add Strasserism and Fourth Political Theory)

[...] we will be able to convey to any potential Patriotic Socialists, National Bolshevists, and "MAGA Communists" that their reactionary, revisionist ideology has no place on ProleWiki, and we will be able to more effectively remove any Patsoc sympathy which comrades may covertly have.

Unfortunately, since they are usually movements which operate through infiltration, I believe it will only make them better at hiding. I think we can only discover reactionary elements through time, their behavior, and their edits. So while I support a change that makes this explicit, I don't think it will prevent anything.

Adding an explicit line in the principles at least lets people know where we stand exactly on this.

But yeah, if they want to infiltrate the wiki, they're not going to stop because we said no. They'll still try making accounts.

It does make it actionable to remove them though.